A post two days ago about the candidates for an Mt. Rushmore-type monument for the AFL generated some great discussion. In the midst of the comments, former Dallas Texans and Kansas City Chiefs receiver, Chris Burford, noted that such an honor should be bestowed upon each team. With so many players, coaches, owners and other important dignitaries associated with the AFL, it could prove a challenge to narrow down to four representatives for each team, let alone the entire league. However, in the spirit of great discussion, that is what I would like to do. Over the next four days, I will put forward two teams each day, along with a list of potential candidates for each. I would like to see you the readers of Tales from the American Football League put together your own Mt. Rushmores. I ask only that the people on your lists were in some way involved with their teams during the 1960s. As great as Dan Fouts was, he doesn’t belong on the Chargers AFL Mt. Rushmore.
To begin this process, let’s start with the Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs. Both franchises won multiple AFL championships, and had their share of important figures. Here are some names for you to think about while constructing your lists, though you are certainly welcome to add names that I have not provided.
BUFFALO BILLS
Jack Kemp, Cookie Gilchrist, Ralph Wilson, Tom Sestak, Ernie Warlick, Daryle Lamonica, George Saimes, OJ Simpson, Billy Shaw, Lou Saban, Mike Stratton, Elbert Dubenion, Ron McDole, Butch Byrd, Booker Edgerson
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
Lamar Hunt, Hank Stram, Lloyd Wells, Johnny Robinson, Len Dawson, Buck Buchanan, Abner Haynes, Bobby Bell, Jim Tyrer, Fred Arbanas, Chris Burford, Jerry Mays, Ed Budde, Mack Lee Hill, Jerrel Wilson, Emmitt Thomas, Jim Lynch, Sherrill Headrick, Otis Taylor, Jan Stenerud, Mike Garrett
My work is now done. Let’s see what you all come up with. Have fun!!
Two suits, two players. As you have no Bills without both types.
Ralph Wilson has to be there, founder..owner and League patriarch..then Lou Saban the field General. His lead troops..Cookie Gilchrist man among boys on the field..and off as a civil rights advocate..how hard was it to make a stand on racism back then..Bills ground game was second only to staunch D..thus it is a coin flip between Stratton and Sestak to represent the AFL Bills D.. I hear and read the nod might have gone to Big Ses
Let’s leave coaches and owners out. KC is pretty easy. Len Dawson, Bobby Bell, Jan Stenerud, and Otis Taylor. I would weight the selection process slightly in favor of those who distinguished themselves in the early half of the decade, when the AFL was struggling to establish legitimacy.
Bills: Saban, Kemp, Gilchrist, Sestak
Dal/KC: Hunt, Stram, Dawson, Bell
(Hard to leave Robinson and Buck off)
Dave has the Bills’ and Chiefs’ lists down pat …
Hunt, Stram, Dawson, Bell. If all players, Dawson, Bell, Buchanan, Taylor.
Bills: Kemp, Gilchrist, Saban, Shaw, Stratton, Saimes. Chiefs: Dawson, Otis Taylor, Stram, Bell, Buchannan
Todd, I can’t believe you left Willie Lanier off the Chiefs list!
Great call, Joe! My mistake, for sure. That’s what I get for writing posts late at night!
The most dominanat players in the pure early 60’s Texans/Chiefs and their impact on the team and the league were Haynes, Tyrer, Robinson,Mays, Dawson, Headrick, Bell, Buchanan, Budde, ,Holub and Arbanas…..Stenerud’s and Taylor’s career(s) didn’t begin until mid1960’s, and blossomed over many years. Stram, Hunt, Wells and Klosterman would make my coach, exec scout list. Hard to leave Grayson, McClinton , Burford,and Wilson, unaccounted for. .I’m going for a “bigger” monument or moutain to build on as 4 spots just isn’t enough for this group of men! Even the foregoing leaves out some pretty damn good football players….Davidson, Spikes, Hunt, Jackson, Hill(2),Garrett et al, Narrowing to only 4….Haynes, Dawson, Tyrer, Robinson with Bell as the “wildcard” and possibly the best over his AFL/NFL career.
Chris, I agree with you expert assessment. I included Taylor because of what he meant to the team and the AFL in the second half of the decade and how he came to redefine the Flanker position (bids, strong and fairly fast that could pick up yards after the catch). Fact is there were too many HOF caliber players that had a great impact on the AFL and especially the KC Chiefs (no disrespect intended for their predessessor). BTW, my brother and I were the kids that cut your grass when you lived on 70th Terr in KC in the mid to late 60’s.
Jim, you twe were the George Toma’s of the neighborhood!
The first two are easy: Lamar Hunt & Hank Stram… naming just two more from a plethora of worthy candidates is nigh on impossible, flip a coin. That said, I’ll go with Johnny Robinson (a 10 year AFL man) and Len Dawson (a Hall of Famer both AFL & NFL eyes.) Both guys also played as members of both the Chiefs and the Texans, so they get extra credit.
Bills players: Billy Shaw, Jack Kemp, Tom Sestak, Booker Edgerson (included because he shut down Lance Alworth when it counted)
Chiefs players: Len Dawson, Jim Tyrer, Buck Buchanan ( how can you not include Buck?), Emmitt Thomas ( At the time I never heard of Willie Brown, but I still think Emmitt Thomas is the best corner I ever saw, or at least until Robert James came along).
In general, lineman deserve more recognition!
True. Linemen are the unsung heroes.
Dubenion, Kemp Gilchrist and Shaw, Burford, Haynes, Dawson and Bell.
No mention of Curley Culp? He is about to be inducted into HOF. Perhaps more identified for his service with Houston?
Howard, Culp was a little late to the party as far as the Chiefs were concerned. Denver didn’t use him well and the Chiefs picked him up in 1968. Stram’s famous stack defense gave him the opportunity to utilize his skills to best effect, then in 74 he jumped to the WFL and came back to the Oilers where he put the finishing touches on “creating” the nose tackle position.
With suits: Chiefs=Hunt, Stram, Dawson, Buchanan; Bills=Wilson, Saban, Gilchrist, Stratton
Without suits: Chiefs=Dawson, Buchanan, Bell, Taylor; Bills=Gilchrist, Stratton, Kemp, Shaw
Note: Limiting to four for the leading AFL franchises is incredibly hard! How about a Himalayan chain with a series of (very high) peaks!
Let’s not forget Haven Moses as wide receiver for the Bills. He was selected as one of “Bills of the 60s” early in the 70s and was honored as such by the team. And of course, Billy Shaw. I wouldn’t mind Paul Maguire, a fine punter and always good for some laughs.
BUFFALO: My four would be Kemp, Shaw, Gilchrist and ‘the entire 1964-1966’ defense
Todd, to limit these teams to four like the real Mt. Rushmore is one tough job. These teams need a whole mountain range.
I agree with Mark, It would take an entire mountain range to do justice to the many talented and devoted players on both squads. I was delighted that Chris Burford mentioned his teammate E.J. Holub, who had not been mentioned previously. He began his career as a linebacker in the early 60s and if you were still standing after he hit you, you’d better look behind you to see what was holding you up! When injuries took their toll on his knees, he moved to center for the Chiefs during their Super Bowl IV season.
Always loved E.J.’s comment that his knees looked like he had been in a knife fight with a midget.
If we are only considering Bills players who played during or some part of the AFL era than I would have to say this is an easy choice. Kemp, Gilchrist, Shaw and Sestak. Non-players are Ralph Wilson, Lou Saban, Harvey Johnson and Eddie Abramowski.
Harvey Johnson? Probably one of the worst coaches in the history of professional football. His personnel moves were also terrible.
Ralph Wilson absolutely has to be included on the Bill’s Rushmore. Not only did he leave the relative security of being a part-owner of the NFL Detroit Lions to start his own franchise in a new untested league, but he also personally came to the financial rescue for 3 other AFL teams (Oakland, Boston and New York) to keep the league viable. Lou Saban, his field general Jack Kemp, and defensive monster Tom Sestak would round out my quartet. As much as I loved Cookie Gilchrist and Billy Shaw, their effectiveness would have been limited by another QB’s play calling.
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