Much has been said about the great offensive backfield that the Green Bay Packers employed during the 1960s. Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung were all stars, NFL champions, and both are enshrined for all eternity in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Heady accomplishments for sure. However, there were other successful backfield duos in professional football in that era, none of which received equal billing as Lombardi’s boys.
Over in that “Other League,” the San Diego Chargers had Keith Lincoln and Paul Lowe in their offensive backfield, one of the great duos in league history. Initially, this comparison had been planned between the AFL’s Keith Lincoln and the NFL’s Paul Hornung. Handsome, blonde and successful on the field, both were called the Golden Boys of their respective leagues. Both, however, also had outstanding backfield mates, and it did not seem fair to overlook them in the comparison.
As the four players’ careers did not overlap exactly, for the sake of this comparison I chose to use the seasons of 1960-1966. These seasons represented the most productive years for all four players. Keith Lincoln’s professional career did not begin until 1961, and Paul Lowe was forced to sit out all of 1962 with an injury. Paul Hornung missed the 1963 season after being suspended by NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle for his role in a gambling issue. Of the four, only Jim Taylor played in each of the seven seasons, and as a result, he played at least 10 games more than any of the other three.
When going strictly by the numbers, here is how the two backfield shake out:
RUSHING | RECEIVING | |||||||
Games | Att. | Yds. | Avg. | Tds. | Rec. | Yds. | Tds. | |
Lincoln | 80 | 573 | 2698 | 4.7 | 15 | 123 | 1689 | 14 |
Lowe | 84 | 986 | 4892 | 4.96 | 37 | 109 | 1020 | 7 |
TOTALS | 164 | 1559 | 7590 | 4.86 | 52 | 232 | 2709 | 21 |
RUSHING | RECEIVING | |||||||
Games | Att. | Yds. | Avg. | Tds. | Rec. | Yds. | Tds. | |
Hornung | 68 | 612 | 2401 | 3.92 | 38 | 94 | 1196 | 12 |
Taylor | 94 | 1639 | 6208 | 3.79 | 74 | 174 | 1362 | 7 |
TOTALS | 162 | 2251 | 8609 | 3.82 | 112 | 268 | 2558 | 19 |
Clearly Jim Taylor was the most productive back of during the time period, though he did play those 10 additional games. In looking over the statistics, Hornung and Taylor had nearly 700 more carries than Lincoln and Lowe, yet ran for just 1019 more yards. The Packers’ Lombardi was more of a running coach that the Chargers’ Gillman, and Green Bay did not have a Lance Alworth-caliber receiver on their team at this time.
As for accolades, Lincoln and Lowe earned six AFL All-Star Game appearances between the two of them. Jim Taylor made four Pro Bowl squads during this period, while Hornung did not make any.
Both Hornung and Taylor were named to the NFL’s 1960s All-Decade Team. Paul Lowe earned AFL All-Time First Team honors, while Lincoln made neither the first or second team.
In counting league championships, the Packers four NFL titles trumped the Chargers lone 1963 AFL championship.
In the final analysis, I would have to say that the Packers duo was more slightly productive – the numbers do not lie. However, their success was greatly enhanced by Lombardi’s offensive style. While the Chargers’ backs were dominant in the AFL, they suffered from Sid Gillman’s emphasis on the pass, as well as from having such a dominant receiver as Alworth in their line up. Thoughts?
While the Chargers were known as the “passing team”, I would not be surprised if the Packers passing game was more effective and efficient. I am not taking about gross yardage,or number of passing attempts. But the yards per completion, TD to interception ratio and QB rating. Those metrics are reflective of a passing attack that complements a running game, while avoiding turnovers that can lose games.
As far as running backs, I saw Taylor and Hornung play many times. I thought Taylor was better than Hornung, but, not anywhere as good as Jim Brown. Taylor was a hard runner, but one dimensional.
Sadly, the only time I saw Lincoln play, was the AFL championship game in 1964. Mike Stratton decked Lincoln, so I never really saw the productive runner that he certainly was. I cannot recall seeing Lowe (I was only around 11 or so), but he certainly was a great halfback.
Todd,
I didn’t check the others but If you used the seven years from 1960-66 you shorted Taylor by 1300 yards and nearly a yard per carry on his average.
Hornung set scoring records which sets him apart and the season he was suspended 1963 the Pack fell flat and the team didn’t regain dominance until the Golden boy did in 1965.
Actually the 1963 Packers were a great team. They lost twice to the eventual champion Chicago Bears. They scored more points than the Bears, and their defense gave up almost as few points as Chicago. A close loss to the Bears at season end was possibly the difference between 3 Championships in a row, and a strong second place.
The 1964 Packers had an off season. Hornung missed a million field goals that year. The Colts had a 12-2 season and were great until Cleveland beat them in a 27-0 shocker in the league championship game.
Beginning in 1960 The Pack was foiled from complete domination by Qbs the Rams had given up on, Norm Van Brocklin in 1960, Bill Wade in 1963 and Frank Ryan in 1964, but were aided by another Zeke Bratkowski.
Jim Taylor is an iconic back, player really, and undisputed all time great who was considered a complimentary player in College at LSU unlike Billy Cannon and Johnny Robinson who were Stars.. Cannon was injured with ruptured discs in his back and Robinson moved to D so and honest comparison cannot be made for them. I would say if Lowe barring injury would have begun his career in 1958 and had as many carries as Taylor the results may have been similar and Lowe, Taylor, Hornung and Lincoln near interchangeable, giving Lincoln and Lowe the advantage for their kick return abilities.
Imagine Lowe and Taylor in the same backfield, the problem is they would have needed two footballs.
Another aspect of Jim Taylor, was that he was a weightlifter during an era when weightlifting was frowned upon. He utilized a number of strengthening techniques that were not common in the 1960’s.
Taylor was also not shy about negotiating with Lombardi. That was once reason that the Packers signed Donny Anderson and Jim Grabowski. Taylor was incensed that those draftees were paid significantly more than he was paid. He finally was cut in 1967 and was part of the Saints first team in 1967.
I met Taylor at a charity banquet in 1989. He was a nice guy, but, no Mensa member. I also had the pleasure of meeting George Blanda, Deacon Jones, Earl Morrall,and Marion Motley. Mr. Motley was probably in his mid 70’s at the time, but still quite fit. A real gentleman!!
The weights helped, he was surely durable and is one of my all time favorites. Proof of his durability is Jim Taylor averaged nearly 200 carries per season for 10 years. The move for him to New Orleans made sense, it was his home state and he and Saints Head coach Tom Fears were reunited as Fears was a Lombardi assistant and coached Taylor in Green Bay.
I know Tom Fears left coaching after 1964 saying he needed to attend to business affairs in Los Angeles. I’m not sure, but it may have had something to do with the aftermath of the Watts riots as he had Taco Tom’s stands in South LA one on Central av at 41st street and another near Willowbrook on Imperial Hwy.
Jim Taylor might have been ‘powerful’ but he was still flung to the ground like a rag doll by the Chiefs Buck Buchanan in ‘Superbowl I’. Taylor was struggling and throwing an elbow trying to get Buchanan off him, so Buck sez “what the?” and separated Jim from the football & not so gently deposited Taylor upon the LA Coliseum turf.
Howard, are you sure Taylor wasn’t Mensa after all? Seems to me the 6’0 215 Packer evidenced very astute reasoning in just picking himself up off the turf and retreating to the safety of Green Bay’s huddle in lieu trying to protest his treatment directly to the 6’7 287 Buchanan.
: )
Well Mr. 1967, there is a difference between dumb and stupid. Taylor may not have been bright, but he was outweighed by 80 pounds by Buchanan. And if I’m not mistaken Taylor scored a TD in that game. How many TD’s did “All-World” Otis Taylor score in that game?
I detect some NFL angst yours, Howie… I’d probably be embarrassed too if (to borrow your lingo) an ‘All World’ type like Jim Taylor (who is probably a favorite of yours) had been manhandled by a ‘mere’ AFL player. A rather sudden loss of recalcitrance by #31, aka ‘Mr. run & hide to survive another play’.
Scored a td did he? (all by himself probably) Marvelous. Alas, he gained but a paltry 56 yards rushing, and it took him each & every one of his 17 carries against that ‘Mickey Mouse’ AFL team to do so, an average of just 3.29 yards per carry – less than he managed against NFL teams that 1966 season same… oops.
Too, in the interest full disclosure, Otis Taylor out-gained Jim Taylor in the game, Taylor’s 57 yards requiring a mere 4 catches, his 31 yard gain (more than twice as long a gainer as #31’s best) set up an td. Otis did score a td in another Superbowl game so he leads the lesser Taylor (GBs) in appearances as such, keeping with your embrace of all things statistical.
Never heard Otis Taylor called ‘All World’, but do know GB’s Herb Adderly said that Otis was the best wide receiver he’d ever played against following the end of Superbowl I… so, close enough appears.
I don’t recall any player from the Chiefs according such accolade(s) to any GB player in particular… probably just an oversight, am certain : ) Stram was gracious in defeat, mentioning Starr’s day. Other Chiefs said (and here I’m paraphrasing) “I’m ready to play ’em again tomorrow”, and “they’re no supermen”, etc.
That the game was in doubt until the very end of the 3rd quarter speaks to just how little difference there was between the leagues in fact, even then. The only folks who won’t agree are NFL types, some, to include guys like a Maule, Sabol and other insecure mindsets.
Long live the AFL!
The AFL ended in 1970. The owners put their own interests ahead of their fans. The proper approach would have been to keep the leagues apart, have a common draft, and one commissioner. That being said; the league is called The National Football League.
If Dawson doesn’t get a pick in the 3rd Quarter, maybe it is a close one. But the Chiefs didn’t score in the 2nd half. Those are the facts.
They got their revenge in 1969.
Agreed – the AFL Owners to include Hunt were $ellout$, the final analysis. Al Davis has said (and I concur) that he might well have brought the NFL to its knees so to speak, however (if one believes the storyline) Hunt et al did an end around on Al and left him by his lonesome (others disagree with this take.)
The majority of players didn’t want a merger: pride as well the two leagues bidding for their $ervice$, major raison. A majority of fans (myself included) also did not want a union according my research.
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Packers were better than the Chiefs on ‘that day’, January 15, 1967 – that’s all that equated to. Speculation the prerogative every man, I’ve no doubt were they to play again / several times after, the W/L ledger would be nigh on a draw.
I say this while acknowledging GB was and remains the best ‘team’ in pro football history, my opine, result based / relatively speaking (though nothing is ever relative, really.) Similarly, were OAK v GB or BALT v NYJ and KC v MINN severally, the same would hold true.
GB simply made less mistakes than their Championship opponents over time and won despite being less talented individually mano y mano several cases, which affirms what a great ‘team’ they were.
All the other chest puffing by leagues, players & fans any is just that.
Taylor’s TD was on a 14 yard PowerSweep in the 2nd quarter, the possession directly after the Chief’s lone TD of the day.
Didn’t see buck stopping him then.
The EARLY 3rd quarter interception was turned into a 5 yard TD run by Elijah Pitts on the very next down.
21-10.
It got worse from then on for the Chiefs.
Their secondary was shredded by a back-up receiver, the way-past his prime Max McGee.
And it was Fred the hammer who got hauled off the field on a stretcher.
35-10.
Long live the Packers.
I reviewed the Superbowl 1 book ‘When It Was Just A Game’ on Amazon.com, top left review (Anon, 11/25/2015; link is below)
https://www.amazon.com/When-Was-Just-Game-Remembering/dp/1589799208/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1533171164&sr=8-11&keywords=when+it+was+a+game
Not included in my original review, but added here purposes edification those who continue to voice misconceptions even today:
* A not so calm Lombardi reportedly ‘dropping a brick’ in his shorts afore the game, then post game acting as if he never had a doubt as to the game’s outcome – disingenuous much, Vince? Several Packers later spoke of how impressed they were with KC, both afore AND after the game.
* NFL-types who promised 50-0/60-0 Green Bay victory having their ‘come to Jesus’ moment at halftime, Chiefs outgaining the ‘invincible’ Packers, playing them to an virtual draw.
* The fallacy that Green Bay was no longer even trying to score by the 4th quarter (in fact, GB QB Starr was picked off by the Chiefs Willie Mitchell on a long pass down the sideline. The upshot: Lombardi trying to run up the score by having Starr try to do he did not normally do his team ahead: throw the ‘bomb’… he/GB/NFL failed.
Long live the Packers? No. They died a year later, post SB II (another game that, as SB I, wasn’t the rout some claim) beginning GB’s long descent into mediocrity.
Long live the AFL? No. Said died three years later, but not before the Chiefs affirmed what the NY Jets did same a year before: win, with SB defenses were even greater than GB’s.
Really? Really. The ’68 Colts were ‘the greatest NFL team ever’ according those same NFL types and media (BALT even greater than the Packers teams afore… come 1969, ditto the Vikings who were ‘even greater’ than the Colts, MINN ‘the greatest pro football team ever’ they said!
Oops.
Funny, the AFL’s best team in ’69 was OAK, who didn’t even reach the SB; I admit that as a KC fan. Raiders would have kicked the dung out of MIN too, my guess – ditto OAK or KC in 1968 had either them played the Colts in SB III.
Upshot: ‘on any given Sunday’, Superbowls 1-4 as any other. ‘Play it again Sam’, those losing teams could just as well win it all, AFL, NFL, whatever.
Signed,
afl (the poster formerly known as 1967)
😎
JIM TAYLOR WAS TUFF” AS A PINE KNOT—HOW MANY REMEMBER THE 62 COLLEGE ALL STAR GAME WHEN THE COLLEGE ALL STARS DEFEATED THE WORLD CHAMPIONS—ALABAMA’S LEE ROY JORDAN HIT TAYLOR HEAD UP AND TAYLOR WENT BACKWARDS FOR PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME EVER.CANNON HAD MORE ABILITY THAN ALL THE ONES YALL HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE HIS BACK PROIBLEMS. HE COULD NO LONGER CUT AND RUN LATERALLY AS BEFORE-SO HE BECAME AN ALL AFL TIGHT END WITH STRAIGHT AHEAD SPEED.—AND JOHNNY ROBINSON ALL HE DID WAS HELP THE CHIEFS WIN A SUPER BOWL PLAYING WITH CRACKED RIBS.
Todd,
Thank you for “Tales From the AFL”, and also your great Chargers book. I got hooked on the Chargers & Browns as a kid in upstate NY in the 60’s, and I’m still loyal to both today (I don’t quite remember seeing their respective ‘last championships’). So, this article was especially interesting. I’ve come to respect instead of hate the old packers (I remember what I was having for dinner when they beat my Browns 55-7), and Lincoln & Lowe were the coolest backfield ever for me. Love the AFL! Thanks again…
I’d like to talk first about the lesser known duo. Lincoln and Lowe were explosive runners. I saw some You Tube footage the other night, and Lowe had some moves ! ! ! I learned about Lincoln and Lowe in the late ’70’s, when I was still a kid. That was when I began reading seriously about pro football. If I hadn’t done the research, however, then I wouldn’t have known about them.
I can readily say Lowe and Lincoln get my vote for The Hall of Fame. The case is clearly there: the #’s they produced, the way they terrorized opposing defenses, their multiple trips to the AFL title game, and their winning the 1963 AFL Championship by a score of 51-10.
The Packers of the ’60’s are one of the famous teams of all time, and their 5 championships in that decade support that. Taylor’s production can’t be argued with. He’s Hall of Fame all the way.
I always saw Hornung as a Hall of Famer, even before he was elected. I have to admit I’m surprised his #’s aren’t higher. He played a major role on those championship teams, especially in 1961, ’62, and ’65. He was less of a factor in 1966, and in fact, he didn’t play in Super Bowl I–with Elijah Pitts scoring 2 touchdowns at running back and Don Chandler handling the kicking duties. Hornung still gets my vote, unless there’s some kind of serious evidence that he shouldn’t.
Finally, I’d like to say that I’ve had the pleasure of interviewing a running back on the 1972 Dolphins–I’d rather not say who it is until I’ve published the article–and he identifed Hornung as his favorite running back growing up. He said he loved Hornung’s versatility.
The Packers brought Don Chandler in for the 1965 season. Hornung had a terrible year in 1964. Probably the best Hornung/Taylor game was the 1965 NFL championship game. They both ran for about 100 yards. Sloppy field conditions and a good Cleveland defense made for a good battle.
Hornung was basically finished by 1966. He was injured all year and he retired after the season. Taylor was well past his peak that year as well.
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