12/27/63 – SAN DIEGO, CALIF – San Diego Chargers’ flanker Lance Alworth was named American Football League player of the year today by United Press International. UPI SAN DIEGO file
12/27/63 – SAN DIEGO, CALIF – San Diego Chargers’ flanker Lance Alworth was named American Football League player of the year today by United Press International. UPI SAN DIEGO file
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Lance was the best receiver in Professional Football for several years in the 1960s. Had he played in the NFL, THEIR defenses would have been called ‘porous’!
Totally agree. Bambi was the best and his stats stack up with any receiver out there from past, present and dare I say future. Does anyone remember the car advertisements he did? I believe Daryle Lamonica did one too.
Ain’t that the truth!
It’s reasonable to assume if Alworth had signed with the 49ers in 1962 he would have exceeded the numbers he acheived with the Chargers. The 49ers with John Brodie and company were a pass first, run second team for a number of years, throwing the ball 500 times. In 1965 49er reciever Dave Parks caught 80 for 1344 yds with 12 touchdowns and a year later caught 66 passes. In 1968 Clifton McNeil caught 71 for nearly a thousand yards and 10 touchdowns.
As their numbers suggest both Parks and McNeil were fine players, obviously neither were in Lance’s class, as few if any were. and with the 49ers Lance as Brodies go to guy, may have put them over the top. Instead Brodie was left year after year “sittin on the dock of the bay”.
What a special player he was!! CONGRATS Lance!!!
Lance played in an era when it was permissible to hit and whack on receivers all the way down the field. Imagine Lance today with all of the room and leeway receivers are given!
When I hear the name Lance, only one professional athlete comes to mind: not Armstrong of dubious distinction lately, bicycling – not baseball’s Berkman of the current era (or any the several others Lance have played MLB) – and not the long ago pro footballer thence married to Joey Heatherton (I never forget a face : ) before ‘All The Laughter Died In Sorrow’.
Be only one Lance – Alworth – who might just as well have been christened All World. In terms comparing others to him (it’s never the other way around for an original), accept no imitations.
I don’t believe there’s any such thing as a greatest ever ‘whatever’, be it a player, team, coach, etc. No consensus & even were there it would affirm & validate not one thing; too subjective, no one uniquely qualified final arbiter, criteria that’s as nebulous as it is debatable. That said/all aspects considered having watched football since the late 1950’s, have yet see anyone since good as Lance Alworth.
Comparing players of different eras, drawing definitive conclusions is chancy. Still, thought it would be interesting to compare an player some believe to be the best wide receiver ever, Jerry Rice, to a player others believe to be best ever, Lance Alworth.
Rules were different each player’s era, the five- yard bump rule was not in effect during Alworth’s days for example, whereas it was in place the entirety of Rice’s career.
Alworth’s 11 years his teams passed 416 times per season on average and Rice’s teams passed 525 times per season, or, 109 more per season on average his 136 games over his first 9 seasons.
Factors such as the overall excellence of & impact of success each player’s teams had on Alworth & Rice production are left open for subjective opine, as playing on artificial turf vs natural grass & other differences variously which would just serve to muddy the comparison even more.
Alworth’s career total 136 games played & Rice’s first 136 games same, stats:
ALWORTH 542 10,266 85 18.9 ~ 4577 pass attempts by his teams 136 games
JERRY RICE 682 11,403 116 16.6 ~ 4727 pass attempts by his teams 136 games
Essentially, Rice caught 1 more pass a game on average, for 8+ yards. That the upshot, make of it what you will factors mentioned and others not considered.
Of note, Rice averaged just under one td catch a game & Alworth a bit more than half a td per game. Of 150 more passes attempted Rice’s teams over the course each player’s first 136 games, Rice had 140 more catches than Alworth.
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OK, now let’s muddy the waters a bit:
John Hadl & Tobin Rote / Joe Montana & Steve Young… Dwight Clark & John Taylor / Don Norton & Gary Garrison, Paul Lowe, Keith Lincoln & Dick Post / Roger Craig, Tom Rathman & Ricky Watters, Mix / McIntyre & Chargers tight ends too compared 49er’s… we won’t even deliberate the defenses here.
When in doubt, consider the eyeball test – one’s own bias a preferred era taken into account & too ‘style points’. As such, I give Alworth’s ‘Bambi’ the edge (as an aside, Paul Warfield, Otis Taylor, Fred Biletnikoff & Charley Taylor are the other receivers still stand out my recollection as most graceful/poetic in cleats.)
So who was better, Alworth or Rice? While you’re at it, which set AFL football cards is ‘best’, and tropic island Mary Ann or Ginger?
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My sentiment is there’s no such thing a ‘best ever’ beyond one’s own subjective take. If it were just an matter ‘stats’, Emmitt Smith (for example) would be the consensus best running back pro football history; that he doesn’t rank top 5 all-time in my opinion is a result factors to include his total number opportunities, quality of his teammates – especially his numerous all-star & greater (even Hall of Fame) offensive lineman in particular. That he played behind great lines and on great teams & carried the ball more than anyone else also factors to consider.
That he played on artificial turf (did it help him as a result or more so hurt him, wear and tear?) another discussion. My book of bias, the two best runningbacks I’ve seen remain Gale Sayers and Jim Brown, in either order… your mileage may vary. The cool factor (‘style points’), I give the edge to Sayers, a man who played most his career as a one-man army quality his offensive teammates considered.
Back to Smith: one answer might be he should have more rushing yards and tds than anyone else since he received more opportunities. That he kept getting the ball however also can’t be denied; apparently he kept getting the job done, ‘got by with a little help from his friends’, nod the Beatles.
Having beaten this horse to death, final analysis: ‘who was best’ the two wide receivers in question? There’s no such thing as a definitive ‘greatest’ whatever, just personal preference/favorite… the two, mine remains Lance Alworth.
You forgot to factor in Young and Montana spirals vs Rote’s aged arm and Hadl’s 3/4 arm wafflers. Both Alworth and Rice were great.
True/I did mention those QB’s…thought their relative differences (strengths and weaknesses, any) would be apparent to ardent football fans or even via the ‘eyeball test’ if not the stats/individual & team accomplishments alone.
Too, could toss in other ‘muddying’ factors like the fact Alworth missed 10 of the team’s 14 games his rookie season due injury…that he missed only 8 more games the rest of his career a nice comeback.
That Rice missed only 3 games within those first 136 referenced compared Alworth’s 18 games obviously would impact stats too. In fact, Rice missed only 17 games total in his 20 year career, 303 games (in fact, one season he actually got into 17 regular season games, due Rice having been acquired by another team; talk about a way to pad the ol’ stats : )
To his credit Rice was healthier comparison Alworth throughout his career, generally speaking; perhaps said is an nod improved training/nutrition the modern day regimen.
As well, due to the added games each season (14 to 16 became the norm after Alworth retired and during the entirety Rice’s career), at minimum Rice got to play more games in his ‘prime’ than did Alworth and this too possibly/probably? had an effect on the stats of both players.
Still, it’s all speculation… the game isn’t played on paper nor in the mind an ‘what might have been’ land: it was as it was/played out the way it did.
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Could throw out more ‘stuff’ but would only serve muddy the waters & I have never appreciated the “yeah buts”, “if only’s” and “woulda, coulda, shoulda” arguments every fan and player can present, case by case basis. Doing so becomes an exercise in stat flagellation – what is known in the parlance as ‘making excuses’ by any other descript.
‘Were’ I so inclined, would show through research/logical interpretation of stats how Babe Ruth buried Barry Bonds despite most casual fan’s embrace of only the final stats tally alone (I refer to said as Bonds continuing to run past the finish line of a race that Ruth had already won years before.)
Example: Ruth had hit 714 home runs when he & Bonds had an identical number of at bats (8398 at Ruth’s retirement, Bonds retired receiving nigh on another 1500 more at bats beyond, or 9847 career); Bonds had only 619 home runs in the same number at bats, 8398. Bonds needed an ‘extra’ 837 at bats – the equivalent almost two years in essence – even ‘tie’ Ruth at 714; on his 838th extra at bat – at bat 9236 of his career – Bonds hit 715…let the “yeah buts” chorus begin : )
Whether you believe Bonds partook of steroids or not/despite said (if it was in fact the case) Babe Ruth dominated the (nod Rice-A-Roni) ‘San Francisco Cheat’ as some refer Barry Bonds mano y mano – batter vs pitcher & same # opportunities each player. Another story of two distinct periods & different advantages/disadvantages for each era/player.
Wrong forum (baseball) as well too little time & internet paper my only excuse not elaborate further, exhale… this short novel mine now ended.
Alworth was a tremendous baseball player, the back of Lem Barney’s 1973 Topps football card asks “What baseball team wanted to sign Lance Alworth? Answer, The New York Yankees. Included with the question is a caricature of a football player in uniform kicking a baseball and sending it flying.
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