I put this together a few years ago when I wanted to see how Otis Taylor stacked up against hall of fame receivers. In my mind, Taylor is another AFL player who has been snubbed by the hall of fame voting committee.
“Well, first of all, [Otis] deserves to be in because when you talk about an era of football players that he played in he was as good, or better than all of them. He was the first, or one of the first big men, I’m saying that he was about 6’3”, 215 or 220 pounds with sprinter’s speed and just a tremendous athlete.” – Len Dawson, Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback and Hall of Fame Member
Born: August 11, 1942
High School: Evan E. Worthing (Houston,Texas)
College: Prarie View A&M
Drafted by the Philadelphia Eagles in the 15th round of the 1965 NFL draft, 203rd overall.
Drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 4th round of the 1965 AFL draft, 29th overall.
Member of the 1966 AFL ChampionKansas CityChiefs
Member of the 1969 AFL ChampionKansas CityChiefs
Member of the 1969 Super Bowl ChampionKansas CityChiefs
HONORS AND ACCOLADES
- 1966 AFL All-Star
- 1966 First Team All-AFL
- 1967 Second Team All-AFL
- 1971 AFC Pro Bowl Team
- 1971 First Team All-Pro
- 1972 AFC Pro Bowl Team
- 1982 Kansas City Chiefs Hall of Fame Inductee
- Had Collegiate Number 17 Retired by Prarie View A&M
CAREER STATISTICS
*bold type denotes league leader
Year | Team | REC | YDS | AVG | TD |
1965 | Kansas City | 26 | 446 | 17.2 | 5 |
1966 | Kansas City | 58 | 1,297 | 22.4 | 8 |
1967 | Kansas City | 59 | 958 | 16.2 | 11 |
1968 | Kansas City | 20 | 420 | 21 | 4 |
1969 | Kansas City | 41 | 696 | 17 | 7 |
1970 | Kansas City | 34 | 618 | 18.2 | 3 |
1971 | Kansas City | 57 | 1,110 | 19.5 | 7 |
1972 | Kansas City | 57 | 821 | 14.4 | 6 |
1973 | Kansas City | 34 | 565 | 16.6 | 4 |
1974 | Kansas City | 24 | 375 | 15.6 | 2 |
1975 | Kansas City | 0 | 0 | N/A | 0 |
Totals | 410 | 7,306 | 17.8 | 57 |
MODERN ERA HALL OF FAME RECEIVERS
Games |
REC |
YDS |
AVG |
TD |
|
Otis Taylor |
130 |
410 |
7,306 |
17.8 |
57 |
Average per HoF Receiver |
159.9 |
565 |
9,219.2 |
16.3 |
70.5 |
Name |
Games |
REC |
YDS |
AVG |
TD |
Lance Alworth |
136 |
542 |
10,266 |
18.9 |
85 |
Raymond Berry |
154 |
631 |
9,275 |
14.7 |
68 |
Fred Biletnikoff |
190 |
589 |
8,974 |
15.2 |
76 |
Tom Fears |
87 |
400 |
5,397 |
13.5 |
38 |
Bob Hayes |
132 |
371 |
7,414 |
20 |
71 |
Elroy Hirsch* |
127 |
387 |
7,029 |
18.2 |
60 |
Michael Irvin |
159 |
750 |
11,904 |
15.9 |
65 |
Charlie Joiner |
239 |
750 |
12,146 |
16.2 |
65 |
Steve Largent |
200 |
819 |
13,089 |
16 |
100 |
Dante Lavelli* |
123 |
386 |
6,488 |
16.8 |
62 |
James Lofton |
233 |
764 |
14,004 |
18.3 |
75 |
Don Maynard |
186 |
633 |
11,834 |
18.7 |
88 |
Tommy McDonald |
152 |
495 |
8,410 |
17 |
84 |
Bobby Mitchell |
148 |
521 |
7,954 |
15.3 |
65 |
Art Monk |
224 |
940 |
12,721 |
13.5 |
68 |
Pete Pihos |
107 |
373 |
5,619 |
15.1 |
61 |
John Stallworth |
165 |
537 |
8,723 |
16.2 |
63 |
Lynn Swann |
115 |
336 |
5,462 |
16.3 |
51 |
Charley Taylor** |
165 |
649 |
9,110 |
14 |
79 |
Paul Warfield |
157 |
427 |
8,565 |
20.1 |
85 |
*Includes AAFC statistics
**Also played halfback
Dave Robinson should have been in his first year of eligibility, he was to the NFL what Bobby Bell was to the AFL. Personally I thought Dave was the best outside LB in all of football during his time. What baffled those paying attention and what hurt Daves HOF chance was that the other Packer outside linebacker Lee Roy Caffey was named All Pro 1st team and Dave second. Some may argue but from what I saw and as fine a player Lee Roy was he was no Dave Robinson.
The Packers linebackers from that period are arguably a top three or five of all time. I would put the Chiefs trio of Lanier, Lynch, and Bell in the same class.
Caffey,Nitscke and Robinson could all play today, they were big 6’3″ 6’4″ 240, chip the enamel on your teeth hitters and ran as fast as they had to. Caffey once returned an int 87 yards.
Agreed! Imagine the freaks they would be with modern training, diets, and equipment!
Anyone that followed the NFL and watched Otis Taylor saw greatness. The Nov 1972 edition of Sport Magazine cover story on Otis Taylor titled “What Makes Otis Taylor Explode.” By Don Kowet. ” If I play marbles, says Taylor, “and if I can move one, then I’m gonna do it. I want to win!” And then he found out the marbles were loaded against him. Taylor carps between cigarettes over not getting the attention and feed back the white ball players get. Take the free autos provided by KC auto dealers, all of them being driven by white boys, and mentions his Kansas City night club The Flanker. The article ends… The world is his these days (and nights, Otis Taylor is savoring every sweet taste. The world is here- right now- and it is his to be enjoyed.”
Howard, There have probably been better players than Ray Nitschke, but none I’ve seen.
I would say Lawrence Taylor and Ray Lewis were better! But aside from that, Nitschke was at the very top of his position. I thought he was better than Butkus. He perhaps didn’t hit as hard as Butkus , but Nitschke was a better all around linebacker.
I am old enough to remember Bill George of the Bears. He and Bednarik of the Eagles were incredible. Of course in the AFL, you had the great Chiefs linebackers. Larry Grantham of the Jets was very good; smallish but a great player.
I agree I thought Nitschke superior to Butkus both played for The Fightin Illini. I realize all players have bad games, and if you were at the 1985? Rams Giants playoff game in Anaheim, you like I watched Jackie Slater kick Taylors rear end all over the field. Taylor played on the outside and with Deacon Jones, were likely as dominant as any to ever play on that side of the ball. You are probably a bit older than I, but I also remember George and Bednarik. Tommy Nobis was to be the best but knee injuries hampered his career. It’s hard to compare Lewis with all the blocking rule changes, In the old days someone may have given him a knee, like Butkus and Nitschke and so many others before the orthoscope played with, but obviously he’s a stud. I just don’t like his game, he’s a hard hitter, not a stylish athlete.
All good points. If you want to see a great video, try youtube looking for the first post merger Pro Bowl game. Played in Jan. 1971. The NFC had Butkus, Nobis, Lilly, Page, Jones, and a slew of other greats. The AFC had Lanier, Andy Russell, Buck Buchanan, Joe Greene, and many more. As opposed to today’s pure “exhibition game” Pro Bowl garbage; that game was hard played and quite passionate.
Thank you Howard interesting you mention looking at some game action, after you brought up Larry Grantham I looked on youtube “The Jets from 1965-68″ and learned some things. I knew Emerson Boozer was a good back, I didn’t realize he was on the verge of greatness when he destroyed his knee 13tds in the first 7 games. Danny Brabham Oilers on film was something to watch, big 6′ 4” 240 quick athletic and ran smooth and easy. From viewing the films Sherman Plunkett should be in the Hall of Fame. Any one who played when Grantham did and played in 175 AFL/NFL games like he did had to be great! Chris Burford was tremendous as well with size and speed enough that would alow him to play in any era including todays. 1971 was an up and down football season for me, like Al Davis famously said Football is the perfect sport with one giant exception Injury. Did you ever watch live or on TV any Rams versus Chargers pre season games in the 60’s? I think they were 1967 & 68 one was a day and the other a night game? If you did do ou have any memories of them? I have only one from the day game, but I’ll save it for now. It’s amazing that the games I attended or watched in my teens and after, I have but only one or two memories of specific games. Bob Browns first year with the Rams in the LA Times Charity pre season game against the Cowboys, Brown was so violent and noisey, you could hear him grunt all the out on to Figueroa St and all that the 70 thousand people in the LA Coliseum could do, was watch him. He was something. He could drive the 7 man sled by himself.
Howard the Pro bowl changed with the money and the Insurance, I recall Mel Gray destroying Dick Andersons knee in a Pro bowl and after that it all began to change. Dick Anderson was more upset that he prevented him from being able to ski. Mel Gray was the fastest man in the world in his age group (17) ran a 9.4. I was at the High School North South Shrine game in 1967 in the Coliseum when he teammed with Dan Pastorini and when Mickey Cureton left the game with a sprained knee Pastorini took over and won the game. A play that I will never forget was the Souths Mike Jeter, Gardena HS running down Mel Gray Santa Rosa HS after he caught a crossing pattern and had nothing but end zone in front of him, Mike with an angle closed on him and hit him like a bolt of lightning. Mike won State that year in the 180 LH and had a best time of 18.7, Issac Curtis won it the next year he was a Junior at Santa Ana HS 18.6.
Interesting comments! The Rams of the late Sixties had great offensive and defensive lines. Only the Packers and Cowboys in the NFL were equal. And the Chiefs, Jets, and Raiders in the AFL had similar quality lines.
A number of years ago I attended a weekend long gathering in Las Vegas to celebrate my former College coach Chuck Mills. The event was held in the Monte Carlo and their were invited guests from all the schools he’d coached and the KC Chiefs. Tom Pratt was there, they coached together with the Chiefs in 1965/66. I asked both why Otis Taylor was not in the Hall Of Fame? and they looked puzzled and both said they didn’t know why, but believed he definitely should be. They said the same about Dave Robinson.
Lots of comments about other players this blog… not so much about the article’s subject, Otis Taylor; let me remedy that.
If I seem to ramble (and even slobber a bit) it’s only because of my own bias: Otis was, along with QB Len Dawson, my favorite Kansas City Chiefs players, ever… that KC was my favorite team the ‘AFL’ years should be no secret. The topic is ‘Hall of Fame wide receiver comparison’, but I’ll save my comments regarding enshrinement merit in lieu some Taylor-talk the start (I apologize advance for my free-flowing style; unlimited internet paper can cause that : )
‘What might have been’ too often has been my reflection on not only Taylor’s career, but part & parcel thereof that of my Chiefs the 1966-1969 AFL era, and the earliest couple years post merger, NFL. Suffice to say any team/ player/fan can use such a ‘rewind’ button… I’ll not disappoint.
In my opinion Otis Taylor takes a back seat to no WR who who has ever played football, least as far back as the late 1950’s when I first became aware the game.
Stat wise? Mostly, no. Terms talent and excitement? Without question.
When speaking of a ‘greatest’ or ‘best’ whatever, there is no such thing – said is more about personal preference, moreso ‘style points’, under closer scrutiny. I say this re: football as other sports. That an Barry Bonds hit 762 home runs to Babe Ruth’s 714 does not impress me much as the fact Ruth needed only 8399 at bats to do so. Compare this to Bonds needing an extra 837 (or 9236) to even ‘tie’ Ruth 714; when Bonds had a similar # at bats as Ruth 8399, he’d but 619 home runs. That Bonds finished his career with almost 1500 more at bats but only 48 more home runs suggests that he merely continued running past the finish line of a race that Ruth had already won.
I reference such difference in ‘opportunity’ because it plays a part in analyzing a players’ ‘greatness’ compared another’s. Similarly in football, team ‘scheme’ on offense can skew results, not to mention supporting personnel/teammates, etc. Despite my Dawson & Chiefs allegiance, I’ve often wondered what Taylor might have put up stat-wise had he played on a team like the Raiders, Chargers or Jets, Lamonica, Hadl and Namath. I’ve no doubt his numbers would – at minimum – rival any of the WRs who played on those team the 1960’s.
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Otis Taylor remains the most graceful wide receiver I ever saw. There are a few others that linger in memory: Lance Alworth and Paul Warfield come to mind. The difference was that size-wise, those two were relative ‘specks’ compared to Taylor. The referenced players went about 6’0 each & weighed the vicinity 185 if that, according reports (which are notoriously specious at times then & now.)
Otis Taylor was listed variously 6’2-6’4 in his career, and most usually 215 lbs. I had the privilege of talking to Otis on more than one occasion, and among the info gleaned from him was that he was 6’3 and played at 227 lbs. That is along the lines a latter-day Terrell Owens size-wise. More than 35 years since ‘OT’ last played, there are still not a plethora of NFL receivers who weigh almost 230 lbs. circa 2013, even with the advance training/nutrition and expansion of teams & roster size. You likely can’t name more than a couple without sneaking a peak at current day rosters,
A review of old magazine articles the day affirms that in hindsight team ‘PR’ types & writers routinely ‘overhyped’ players both AFL & NFL as to their size, speed, etc. The man himself proved to be the authority on all things Taylor. Otis told me he ran a 4.5 40 time back in his prime mid-60’s, this in contrast magazine stories which referenced 4.3 and 9.6 100. As an example the times, an Alworth was said to run 9.3 (also an exaggeration; likely closer to 9.6 his time, but regardless of time or player, the selling of a league, its players, and tickets took precedence. Excitement, like the Chrysler/Dodge sponsored AFL, automobiles – the ‘Charger’ comes to mind, ‘Dodge Fever’ the hook.)
Back to #89.
Be it a player ‘sport’, a car ‘style’, a singer ‘song’ or ‘music’ group etc. subjective bias be plenty; ditto pro football Hall of Fame voting as to a measure & criteria, based on the evidence.
Otis Taylor is not in the NFL Hall of Fame. Based on his ‘impact’ he should be, without question. The ‘big catch’ was his trademark, AFL Title Games as well Superbowl’s. He made the one-handed catch look almost routine, employing said so often. And not for show I might add, the course of a regulation game.
Taylor came from an era before WR’s began regularly taking the ‘look at me everybody’ hot dog tack, from teammate Elmo Wright to Billy ‘White Shoes’ Johnson, to the modern day TO’s. Great as he was, another Taylor – Charlie – I never had much respect for because he had a habit of ‘posing’ in the endzone after a td catch, and he like Otis came along in the 1960’s, NFL.
Otis Taylor finished his career with 410 catches for 7306 yards 57 touch downs and an 17.8 average yards per catch, resume. Officially, Otis is listed as having played 11 years; more correctly he played 10 years & 3 plays of 1 game he (was injured the first game of 1975 and missed the season, never to play again. Sob story? Hardly. Otis Taylor’s 17.8 yards per catch rank just behind guys named Warfield, Alworth, Maynard, Lofton & Hirsch. Taylor was a game breaker – a thoroughbred – a ‘Champion among Champions’ as one announcer gushed.
Otis played on a team that favored the run moreso the pass, and even when it did pass employed short to intermediate range throws rather than ‘the bomb’ (though Taylor did more than once catch some way down the field & did turn many a short toss into a spectacular long gainer, as in Superbowl IV.)
So why isn’t Otis in the NFL Hall of Fame? A lack of comparable stats for the most, others his era. Certainly less than the ‘inflated’ modern day numbers which have in essence relegated any semblance statistical relevance moot.
That Otis Taylor does have better ‘stats’ than one well-known Hall of Famer (WR Lynn Swann) is of note. Is it because the Steelers had better ‘teams’ and won more Championships than the Chiefs? If anything one might argue Otis had no one to take pressure off him aft the retirement Chris Burford post ’67.
Swann had so many other Hall of Fame teammates that it could be argued either way: he had less opportunity because there were so many other team (player) options offense, Bradsahw, Stallworth, Harris, Webster et al.
Conversely, an Otis Taylor proponent could argue he had no one to take the pressure off him, and so he often received undue attention by way of double coverage, even triple at times. Taylor had already been retired three-years by the time the NFL instituted the 5-yard bump & run rule change 1978; Swann played more than half his career under the new rule.
As I’ve said before speaking as a fan, the only Hall of Fame that matters to me is the one resides in my heart & memory, but to a ‘Hall of Fame caliber player’ like Otis Taylor, enshrinement would be justice delayed but ultimately delivered.
Swann is in the HOF primarily because of two great circus catches in made in Super Bowl 10 against Dallas. His statistics are not HOF. If he played for the Bills or Browns those years, he would be another slow USC receiver. But, alas, no, he played on four championship teams.
Otis Taylor had the statistics along with the intangibles to be inducted. There seems to be a certain Chiefs bias in the negative. This blog has listed players like Taylor, Robinson, Arbanas and Tyrer as HOF worthy. Abner Haynes was a great player as well. All are worthy, why none are in I’m not sure.
That’s the thing – while I would have no problem with an Otis Taylor being in the Hall of Fame, I wouldn’t be indignant were he not enshrined because I can see things in the light of others opinions that his stats were ‘not good enough’ – but only if said were consistent across the board reference all nominees, which of course it is not/never has been, appears.
Agreed as to the Chiefs (among other teams players & coaches) and that’s my point – no ‘consistency’ the HOF selection process; unless my own bias blinds me, ‘case by case basis’ appears code for ‘subjective bias’. The ‘voters’ offer no rating or point system for review to my knowledge; apparently, it is no more than ‘one man’s opinion’, times X.
Some cases you can point to ‘team’ success an enshrinement, players moreso but some coaches too. Yet, an number of inductees while successful finished sans winning a Superbowl or a pre-Super Championship, yet were enshrined.
I’ve also never understood or agreed with only allowing X number of enshrinees per year – what’s the rationale? If you were ‘great’, you deserve to be enshrined today, not tomorrow due some artificial barrier. Get the deserving players and coaches in ‘now’ while they can still enjoy the honor & not aft they have passed away.
OK, my soap box is cracking under the weight & strain my angst [pause for breath ]
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A few examples of coaches who are in the HOF, their induction date of interest as well some of them whose merit I question, with all due respect.
Is it ‘success’ in general being rewarded, reward despite no ‘ultimate success’, or just success compared other coaches, their peers – some who won and some who did not, Superbowl(s) or pre-Super Championship?
Weeb Ewbank was a career .500 coach in essence, but as Coach of three-Championship teams was deemed good enough. OK, no argument here.
.502 winning %
Marv Levy was 0-4 in Superbowl appearances & oversaw 7 losing seasons… he was enshrined in 2001; what are they extolling, his persistence 18 years?
George Allen had a marvelous winning % but never won Superbowl nor a pre-Super Championship. He was inducted 2002… ‘gray area’ comes to mind.
.712 winning %
Bud Grant is another example: he also had a fine winning % & coached in a number of Superbowls – yet won 0 in 18 years. You’re in Bud – class of ’94.
.620 winning %
Hank Stram won 3 AFL Championships, was 1-1 in Superbowl’s & beat Grant in one of those, yet had to wait until 2003 to be enshrined; what the… ?
.571 winning %
‘If’ the HOF is one based upon greatness 9whatever that means?), then it should and must be an consistent measure, and not one subject to ‘caprice’, seemingly. You’re either great or you’re not, good enough or no, across the board and down the line.
Though I’m an old Chiefs fan, but would not vote Marty Schottenheimer into the Hall of Fame as a Coach, future. To me, a Coach any moreso than a player must have ‘won’ a Championship at minimum & not merely gotten his team there. Great out the gate (regular season) & fade down the line (home stretch) does not constitute HOF merit in my book, to each voter their own. To me, a Schottenheimer is the epitome of an also-ran, tho he was great up to a point.
.613 winning %
‘Tough crowd, tough crowd’ as Rodney Dangerfield used to say, no grading on the curve for me.
A few years ago, I was listening to a conversation with Ron Borges. At that time Borges was with the Boston Globe, and he had a vote within the “Congress” that meets to induct members of the HOF. He said that each voter is allowed to stand up and “educate” this group as to why a certain nominee belongs in the HOF.
Now, this amount of lobbying is not needed for a Joe Montana or Barry Sanders.
But it is needed for a Johnny Robinson. The problem is that the Kansas City media representative for the HOF was probably born in 1980. Johnny Robinson and Bronco Nagurski played together as far as he knows.
There needs to be an elders committee to look at these players; and by the way, why isn’t Jerry Kramer in the HOF? There needs to be uniform grading and criteria that mean either “thumbs up” or “thumbs down”.
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